How is action in Australia going to change the problems caused by China which in all indications will increase polution. That is why they do NOT want INTERNATIONAL MONITORING.

Australia should show the World how we can proceed ahead in the modern world and not have the massive restrictions that some want.

Australia has NOT GOT GLOBAL WARMING.

I am not sure I agree with your view that our No.1 aim should be to improve the lifestyles of Australians if this comes at the sacrifice of the environment. As Turlough suggests it depends on your definition of improving lifestyles i.e. not much point concentrating on quality of life if we don’t have a hospitable planet to live it on.

However you are right in that China is, as a country, is one of the largest emitters and are building coal power stations like they are Starbucks but per capita their carbon emissions are below Australia’s. The problem here is the ‘western world’ has outsourced its manufacturing to China because, as Robbie states, the $ bottom line looks a lot better.

The UK claimed to have achieved its carbon reduction target but it outsourced carbon intensive production to China (which should still be included in the UK’s carbon footprint not China’s in my book) and also didn’t include aviation emissions in their calculations (for some reason?). I agree that China should be held accountable and should action change but the blame does not lie squarely at their feet.

Clearly there are many obstacles, such as political agenda however another possible obstacle is that the cure vs. prevention scenario has echo’s in human nature – for example people quit smoking after getting lung cancer, people join a gym once they are overweight, people get car insurance after crashing their car etc.

The power has always been with the people but that requires coordinated action which is easier said than done.

China wants more jobs and control in the world today. One way they have found to do it, is to take the work that is stopped in countries like Australia due to carbon emissions and have the jobs done in China.
The only problem is China is where strong indications show the polution of the World is coming from. China wants to build China bigger not worry about the World’s climate.

Depends on your definition of improving lifestyles. I think we can improve it by reducing our carbon emissions (we are one of the highest per capita in the world) but others may disagree and see that reducing our energy usage makes our lifestyles less comfortable.

Not sure what you meant by sending jobs to China – did I miss something? Was that implicit in my belief in mobile technologies helping to reducing carbon emissions??

As such, I had a fun time corresponding (at NWAT) previously, with a bigoted gentleman, who said that he was not from Australia but lived here! He then openly claimed “all” Aussies to be lazy, who believe the world owes them (us) a living and if a company can cut costs by bypassing us lazy Aussies, they should.

He was also on the Telstra side of the comms argument and as such (like I am doing here and backing you Grahame, even though we sit on opposing sides of the comms debate) not one of the normally outspoken Telstra shareholders, who claim they are only interested in what is best for Australia, supported me in opposing his abhorrent generalizations.

Nor did any of them even show displeasure at his open promotion of Aussie jobs being lost. In fact one of these shareholders (whilst not condoning the lazy Aussie comment) still supported this gentleman’s overall position.

Q. So what has brought on this willingness for Aussie companies to consider outsourcing abroad and for people to make such disgracefully biased/racist comments?

A. Cheap labour = more profits = greater share price.

As I have said all along… In the end it all comes down to greed – not ethics, decency or social responsibility, sadly, just $$$.

Australia needs to use the massive experience and understanding that it has to do the above. It does not need people looking to just improve themselves or agenda.

Your study on showing savings from reducing carbon emissions is a waste. It will NOT HELP Australia.

Developing the proof points for how ICT can reduce carbon emissions is one of our internal projects. This is challenging to prove but we have seen carbon savings from our use and customer’s use of our products. We are in the process of developing the data and supporting evidence to tell this story.

Well the result obtained I worked out in less than an hour total time. The only problem is I noticed much more than what was stated.
e.g. China had to close down industry to hold the Olympics.
World’s readings changed at this time.
China had to close down industry to hold their big Celebration this year
( China has a major polution issue. It is stated Peking is a disaster on its own. The Olympics could not have been held under normal conditions. Why did they not pick this up and work to fix it as a major issue. )
Conference RESULT:
From the conference at the end NO International monitoring of China’s effort.
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China is after industries that cannot work in other countries to move to China.

China wants to control the WORLD by controlling all industries.

Why must Australia support process’s that will assist the above. Why must Australia give away MOST INDUSTRIES to CHINA etc where the problems are not here.